Holman Celebrates 100 Years, Looks to the Future of Fleet with Innovation and Technology (Jim Spera)

In this episode of the Mile Marker Podcast, host Angela Simoes speaks with Jim Spera, Vice President of Sales at Holman. Spera discusses the rapid advancements in fleet technology, focusing on electric vehicles, telematics, and AI. He highlights Holman’s approach to integrating these technologies to support clients, emphasizing the shift toward data-driven insights and risk mitigation. Spera also touches on the future of autonomy and robotics, sharing his perspective on how these innovations will shape the fleet industry in the coming years.

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You are listening to the Mile Marker Podcast,

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where we explore trends and innovations in fleet automation

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and shared mobility, helping fleet based businesses make

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better informed decisions

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and achieve full digital transformation.

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Welcome everyone to the Mile Marker podcast.

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I am Angela Simoes, your host.

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And today's guest is Jim Spera, Vice President

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of Sales with Holman. Welcome, Jim.

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Thank you. So I understand Holman is having a

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anniversary celebration.

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Yes. A hundred years.

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Yes. Insane. A hundred years of business.

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Insane. That's, I mean, that's, I'm, I mean now

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in today's day and age, like it's a

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big accomplishment. Right.

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Incredibly impressive.

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Especially given its stayed privately held,

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family owned for this century. That's

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Amazing. So what did you

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guys do to celebrate?

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So we had a, what we called our world tour.

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Um, so we have facilities in the United States, Canada,

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Mexico, UK, Germany.

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So throughout the better part of 2024,

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we held regional celebrations

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for families, colleagues

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and friends to join to celebrate the achievements

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of the Holman organization.

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So that was throughout the year.

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And then leading up to our,

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our annual meeting

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In the summer, we had a huge celebration,

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nearly 7,000 people.

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Wow. And it was a concert put on by Carrie Underwood

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and the Bare Naked Ladies,

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so it was a great way to celebrate.

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The milestone event. Yeah.

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But I love that you had a world tour, as you said,

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and had these smaller celebrations to really kind

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of hold onto that family owned, family

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oriented, uh, culture. That's really great.

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Absolutely. And so I understand you've been in...

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the fleet industry for eight years

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and with Holman for eight years.

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Correct. And as we have talked with everybody

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that you fall into fleet, right.

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It just sort of happens by accident,

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It finds you.

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So tell us a little bit about your path

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and how you ended up falling into Holman.

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Sure. So, um, spent majority of the front end

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of my career in aerospace and defense went into oil and gas

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and through a couple

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of relationships, being from South Jersey (Mm-Hmm.)

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Where Holman is headquartered.

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Knowing the Holman name in that area,

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you understand the, the people behind the organization.

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So that was a big driving factor to me joining

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the business eight years ago as I moved

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to Houston a year prior.

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So took a new opportunity to Houston

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and then went through the interview process and

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joined Holman shortly thereafter.

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And given your background in other industries,

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and now that you've been in fleet for a while, um,

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what are some of the big differences

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between working in the fleet industry

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and working in other industries?

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So working in the fleet industry,

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you're essentially an extension of,

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of your partner's business.

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Mm-Hmm. So, um, working internally

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through other opportunities with other companies

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and more of their project management operational landscape,

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taking that knowledge

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and then bringing it to the fleet side.

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And how do you marry up fleet and support your clients?

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How do you impact their business

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and drive their initiatives internally as a true partner?

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Those were synergies that really allowed me

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to make that transition a lot easier.

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that consultative approach makes it a lot of fun.

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And what, so let's just take the last year for example.

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that your customers have been

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asking about wanting to explore?

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Um, are there challenges they're trying

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to address? What have been the big things?

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There's been a major evolution, obviously with technology.

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Coming into this space, well,

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really just coming in and impacting all of our lives.

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So our ability to bridge what's out there,

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assimilated into our offerings, understand

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what our clients are leveraging from a technology

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standpoint, and then building the bridge from there.

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But you think about telematics as a major data point

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for us to be able to leverage a lot

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of information to bring meaningful value

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and insight back to our, our clients.

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But yeah, the evolution

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of electric vehicles Mm-Hmm.

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Is another big one. Right. Uh, autonomy's out there.

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It's out there, it's, it's out there.

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It's coming, uh, hasn't directly impacted us quite yet,

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but it's definitely on the horizon.

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And the evolution has moved a lot faster,

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than I think a lot of people

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So we see that carrying forward.

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You talk about AI and connectivity as well.

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(Mm-Hmm mm-Hmm.) So

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For autonomy, I feel like it's like one step at a time.

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Like, let's get the electrification thing dialed in

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and we'll let autonomous technology developers

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figure it out.

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And work out all the kinks, and then we'll implement the

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autonomous vehicles into fleet.

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Right? Like, I just feel like

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it's really early days for that.

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It is, but you look at robotics too,

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and there was a session earlier today where

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they were showing some really neat stuff

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From glasses where it transcribes

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words right onto the lens.

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So you think about taking that

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and bringing it into the automotive space.

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You have technicians working on vehicles.

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They don't have to get up and go to the

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iPad or the computer.

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They have it all right on there.

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Their lens. So a lot of that is coming.

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And then there was an overview

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of a drone company out of Sweden

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Where it's a flying drone.

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So essentially you have like a personal helicopter,

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And I think they're taking pre-orders.

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I don't know when that's gonna come,

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but that will be very interesting.

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Drones are just like, cool. Right. Yeah.

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You know, you just want to fly one.

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Um, so, so let's talk about electrification a little bit,

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and then we'll get into the AI conversation.

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So, everybody's at a different stage, right?

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So what you're, what are you seeing

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with your customers in terms of, have most of them

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implemented, at least a pilot,

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and what are some of their learnings?

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What are your learnings from that?

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And then where do you see it all kind of moving forward?

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Do you see it's like, okay, everybody's done a pilot,

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they're pretty comfortable with it,

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and now it's probably gonna take off?

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It's, it's a mix.

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So a lot of it comes down to just range and utilization.

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Obviously a lot of the sedans, SUVs, lighter trucks

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have gone electrified.

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So then it comes down to day-to-day operation.

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Does the range support the need of the vehicle on

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that given day or for that given role?

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But there is, there's definitely been a lot

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of conversations, a lot of side-by-side comparisons

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with ICE versus EV

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Definitely some pilots, whether it's hybrid

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or full blown EV

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but there's definitely a lot of conversation

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and a lot of interest

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in the evolution of the technology.

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Do you have clients that are,

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their fleets are made up of heavy duty,

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like construction, you know? Sure.

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Major... I ask

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because, you know, I had a, we had a

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previous podcast interview many, many months ago, um,

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and I'm blanking on the, the name of the, the gentleman,

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but we talked about like,

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do we really want an electric dump truck

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or do we really want an electric cement mixer?

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I don't know. Does that make sense? Sure.

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Yeah. There's, so there's definitely on the vocational

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side, so Holman supports class one through Class eight.

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Okay. Vehicles. So car sedans

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all the way up to tractor trailers.

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So some of the technology's not there yet. (Mm-Hmm.)

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Um, some of the operations may be prohibitive today (Mm-Hmm.)

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For utilizing an EV vehicle versus an ICE.

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I think the interest is there, and I think the market is

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slowly catching up, infrastructure as well

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as just the technology

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as you get into the higher GVW vehicles.

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what was the other thing you mentioned that was a kind

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of a, I think a use case was?

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I would say range and application too.

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Application. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of our, our,

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our clients are in vocational fleet

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or have vocational fleets.

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So they're outperforming services. Mm-Hmm.

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Um, so does the vehicle, can we spec it

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to their need from an operational standpoint?

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And what have been some big learnings in both

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of those areas, uh, that you're now able

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to more confidently make recommendations to clients about?

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Alright, well don't, don't go this way based on your

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needs, you're gonna need to do this.

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There's some examples you can talk about. Yeah.

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So it's still a little early on the, the vocational side,

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I'll call it more driver centric fleet.

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Mm-Hmm. There's been a increased adoption

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and there's been some, some use cases, some proof cases that

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that show that going ev for certain driver classifications,

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are definitely like a sales fleet.

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Um, they have range, they take that vehicle home at night

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and charge home, so they're able to charge it at home.

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Right. So they're not reliant on being in

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a remote area Mm-Hmm.

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And having a charging facility local Mm-Hmm.

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To make sure that they're able to charge up

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and get back out into the field. So,

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Are they finding that it's actually

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a lower total cost of ownership?

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Uh, is it working out as they had hoped or,

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the, the proof to the use case that there is a savings.

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the total cost of ownership.

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What does that look like as some

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of these newer models roll into operation,

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what do they look like in three, four

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or five years when we go to resell them?

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Right. Right. Um, so let's jump over to AI

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and you mentioned telematics.

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Mm-Hmm. And you feel like that's where a lot

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of the AI application is.

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Maybe hasn't happened yet,

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but people are looking to apply AI to telematics

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and figuring out, okay, where can AI help either

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with automation or streamlining tasks, things like that.

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So what are you seeing in the industry

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and also what is Holman doing, as it pertains to AI?

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Sure. So AI, obviously there's a lot

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of companies out there, a lot of new technologies coming

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that are building off of, I'll use, we'll call it ChatGPT.

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Okay. As the example or the baseline.

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How do we, how do we leverage that?

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How are our clients leveraging that

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to bring greater insights at a much faster pace?

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Mm-Hmm. And then how can we make sure that the insights

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that it's bringing are factual and accurate,

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and then be able to put that out.

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So we're looking at that from a number

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of different facets as well as I think about going back to,

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not jumping into or out of AI, but robotics, connectivity...

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Um, a lot of those are based on leveraging data

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to make use case decisions or to operate.

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So there's a lot of investigation, a lot of companies

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and partners that are in the marketplace today.

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And are there any other kind of new technologies emerging

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or new things that you're seeing that are kind of exciting

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or at least that you know,

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will help move the industry forward?

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There's a lot Trying to think

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of where I want to cover first.

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So the, the evolution of technology

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within telematics,

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so we're not only capturing the device data,

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but also now video.

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(Okay.) Forward facing, inward facing.

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Providing real time coaching, from

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a risk mitigation standpoint, that is definitely something

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that when you, and you look at the use case for telematics,

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and when you bundle that into like the total cost of risk,

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so you have telematics, you have the driver record,

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and then also the liability, which is the biggest factor.

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Cost is not so much a conversation.

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It's how do we mitigate our much larger

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risk, mitigation from liability

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and loss runs and accidents and all that.

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And so you said there were multiple,

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any other areas that you wanna touch on?

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Um, going into robotics too

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Uh, sorry, I'm jumping back and forth between the two.

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because they're, they're most prevalent,

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and they were covered today as well

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as internally with our clients.

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But where there are efficiencies

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with automation leveraging robotics,

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Um, that has become huge, especially on the vocational side.

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You think about drones, uh, bots and warehouses, factories.

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So that's all things that are top of mind for us as

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technology evolves.

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And so we are recording, I think you mentioned

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that you were attending sessions or, or something.

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Mm-Hmm. So for our listeners, we are at AFLA today. Yes.

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We're here in San Antonio at the AFLA Conference.

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Um, so what have you observed so far?

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We're about halfway through the conference.

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Any big takeaways

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or, um, anything that you were hoping

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to get out of the conference?

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So, takeaways for me, this is

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my first ALA event.

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(Oh, congratulations.) I've been to a lot of congratulations.

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Other industry events,

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but first AFLA, I think there's a lot

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of common themes across all the industry events,

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but for this one specifically, a lot of it is around

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relationship and collaboration.

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(Mm-Hmm.) A lot of really good,

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I'll call them fireside chats, after the sessions.

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People brainstorming, talking through, uh,

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educating each other on what they're doing internally,

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what their focuses are,

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what their corporate initiatives are.

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So taking all of that, absorbing it,

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bringing it back internally

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so we can be smarter for our clients.

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But then also, um, how do you continue

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to build those relationships over time?

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And some of those fireside chats, have you sat there

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and been like, oh, oh, I hadn't thought about it that way.

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Like, any, anything that's come up that you've

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kind of made you think?

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Nothing earth shattering,

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but it, the consistency I think is, is really important

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and it's good to hear, right.

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The challenges of managing a much broader

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stakeholder base than we have in the past year.

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So, I think five, ten years ago,

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stakeholders were anywhere from three

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to five people focused in on fleet.

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Now, from one of this morning sessions that I was, uh, able

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to be a part of, you're looking at nine to 11,

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12, 13 stakeholders that oversee fleet.

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So how do you, how do you navigate that dynamic?

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Align your solutions, your scope of works

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to each individual stakeholder?

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And, and really truly understand the why for each part

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of the operation, but then also,

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supporting the fleet managers to make sure

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that they're taken care of within their,

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their stakeholder base as well.

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And are you having to provide, um, you know,

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I guess reporting

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or updates for all of those stakeholders as well?

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And, and then, you know, if when, when it was two

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to five people, a little bit manageable, now

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that it's 12, how do you manage that?

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So it's, so not all 12 are impacting

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or overseeing fleet on a day-to-day basis,

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but it could be annually, it could be quarterly.

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A lot of our contacts are, some of our key stakeholders are,

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are daily, hourly,

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type interactions. So yes.

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A lot of data to support initiatives, um,

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putting together short term, long term plans

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to make sure that we're,

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we're driving towards the end goal of the organization

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that we're supporting, but then also being flexible.

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Priorities change rapidly, so we wanna make sure

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that we're updating to make sure we're all

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rowing in the same direction.

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Right. So I imagine that's where, you know,

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visibility into the, into the data is critical.

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Right. So you can generate those reports and,

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and give some accurate reporting.

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Absolutely. How do we bring all data into one centralized

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platform, normalize it, and then provide

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meaningful insight back? Right.

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So taking a bit of a turn. Okay.

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Um, so as we wrap up the interview, so

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we live in a techie world (Mm-Hmm.)

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Um, we're looking at screens all day. Right. We are.

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I like that at that expression.

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Um, so how,

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and I dunno if you attended the, uh, opening keynote

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where the gentleman was talking about work

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life harmony, right?

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Mm-Hmm. Um, it almost reminded me of kind

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of like lean in a little bit, but, um,

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but the whole work life harmony seems

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to have resonated with people.

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Sure. So what do you do to achieve work life harmony

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or work-life balance, or at least just, you know,

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have some boundaries between work and personal life?

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Sure. That's, um, that's a great question.

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I've heard, obviously we have

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all heard of work life balance.

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Balance, yeah. Work/life integration. Mm-Hmm.

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I like worklife harmony. It's much softer. Mm-Hmm.

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How do I manage it?

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Uh, that's a, that's a tough question.

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I think a lot of us are challenged with that,

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especially coming out of the covid years,

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where our homes became our offices as well.

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So the separation was not there.

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For me, getting outside. (Okay.)

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Getting outside in nature, trying to take a step away.

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Whether it's periodically throughout the day

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or at night, just to kind

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of get away from the technology...

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...sitting front of screens. (Right.)

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Um, that's definitely something I do

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interactions and activities.

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So we have three kids, so they keep us busy as well.

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(There you go.) Um, so making sure that we're spending time

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with them, having fun playing

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and not being distracted

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by the screens for that period of time. Right.

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So when you say get outside, I, I fully appreciate that.

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And the other thing too, though is I notice

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so many people when they are outside have headphones on,

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or their air.. earbuds in,

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and I just, for me personally,

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I don't wanna have any sort of connection.

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Like, I wanna hear the bird singing

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or just hear the air.

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I don't know what it is. Yeah. But like, I just feel like,

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listen, I've been connected to my computer all day,

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I don't wanna be connected

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to something else while I'm outside.

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Right. Like, I just wanna be, you know? Yes.

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So, um, are there any particular, like, I don't know,

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and I just having just said that,

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is there any particular like app

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or anything that you use to help you get outside?

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Right? Like you're tracking your steps?

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Are you doing like a, a meditation app

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or like something that's driving you,

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like it's reminding you to get outside? Sure.

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Um, there's definitely no reminders to get outside.

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I, I try to do it when I do remember. Right.

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Um, but when I am out there, uh,

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it could be Spotify listening to music Mm-Hmm.

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Um, sometimes I will keep the ear, the AirPods in the house.

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Mm-Hmm. Just have my phone to track my steps. Mm-Hmm.

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And as you mentioned, um, just enjoy the surroundings

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and the, the noises of nature. Right,

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Right, right. Well,

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this has been a lovely conversation

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and, uh, congratulations again on

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a hundred years to the company.

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Yes, thank you. And, um, I know you're eight years in

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and, um, but with the culture of the company,

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it sounds like this might be a very long-term

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thing for you. So

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That is, that is the goal. Yes. Yeah.

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Well, congratulations again.

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It was lovely to have you on the

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show. Thank you for joining us.

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Thank you. Thank you for having me. I appreciate it. Yep.

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